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Rob Filth wrote:
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I think the demonstrators were right to tear it down, and I can say that straight cos I am not the leader of a political party who hopes to become PM and topple Johnson. We don't get to choose which laws are applicable to us.

I also agree that there's a huge problem when taxpayer money is used to put up a statue of Nancy fucking Astor of all people, should we put one of Ayn Rand next to it?

What is Starmer's connection to Murdoch? I would have thought RM would be more approving of Johnson/Cummings.
Normally, Murdoch WOULD be far more approving of Johnson/Cummings, after all they ARE intent on carrying out Murdoch's precious Brexit agenda which he's been hankering and seeding for the last two decades.

Something's happened behind the scenes in the last month or so which is apparent from the obvious sudden media scrutiny and focus on Cummings indiscretion of the lockdown rules, normally the media would completely ignore such indiscretions as indeed the have done often enough in the past. So, WHY are they suddenly interested now?

Either Johnson and Cummings have had a behind closed doors fall out with Murdoch, or Murdoch has decided Cummings has too much power and control over his Johnson puppet, or Murdoch has realised with the public awareness of the disastrous ineptitude of the Government in its responses to COVID19 which has led to one of the very highest death counts in the World that both men's heads will have to roll as a scapegoat. Or perhaps a combination of all three?

Starmer realises this, which is why he has been doing his best arse wriggling act possible in Murdochs direction in the last few months, and although presently futile because Murdoch will be lining up his next Tory usurper replacement for Johnson before the electoral cycle ends (either Gove or Raab I suspect), Murdoch might well go for Starmer if this next Tory usurper also fails.

In fact, I believe a deal has already been cut between Starmer and Murdoch in the possible event of this occurence.

Murdoch will possibly compromise the UK retaining Single Market access in the EU for Starmers complete compliance. That will be the deal cut.

So, if you vote Labour in the next General Election you MAY get that which you wouldn't otherwise get with the Tories, but other than that things will be pretty much "business as usual" set to Murdochs continuing agenda with the odd tiny meaningless bit of socialist tokenism and tinkering around the edges which will comprise to the great sum total of "fuck all" in the grand scheme of things.
Cummings is still under investigation of the illegal spending on the last campaign. It's possible Dom holds some dirt of Bozza and Murdoch realises this. After the phone-hacking scandal, he should know to stear clear of such dodgy dealings.
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:58 pm
I would like to hear Keir be more vocal about Cummings and his dislike for racism, but there was a poll recently that suggested that the majority of the public were glad the statue had gone but did not approve of the manner in which it happened.
Which shows all democratic means had been exhausted and failed them, something Starmer should recognise rather than undermine.
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Personally, I am fine with the protestors pulling it down, but neither they nor me are trying to win an election when the time comes. I think you are mistaking what Starmer says publically for what he thinks privately. Or are you saying he should just totally ignore public opinion?
I'm suggesting he WAS ignoring public opinion by condemning the self-empowering mass public actions of those who fulfilled a civic duty to the people of Bristol because the democratic local authoritative route had failed them completely.
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:03 pm
Cummings is still under investigation of the illegal spending on the last campaign. It's possible Dom holds some dirt of Bozza and Murdoch realises this. After the phone-hacking scandal, he should know to stear clear of such dodgy dealings.
That's entirely feasible, yes.
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Rawkus wrote:
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:37 pm
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He's right to avoid explicitly condoning acts of violence that many of the voters Labour need to gain find repellent.
He wasn't condoning any acts of violence however, he was being a racist apologist and establishmentarian sop.

Completely out of step of all Labour Party values.
I would like to hear Keir be more vocal about Cummings and his dislike for racism, but there was a poll recently that suggested that the majority of the public were glad the statue had gone but did not approve of the manner in which it happened.

Personally, I am fine with the protestors pulling it down, but neither they nor me are trying to win an election when the time comes. I think you are mistaking what Starmer says publically for what he thinks privately. Or are you saying he should just totally ignore public opinion?
Yes. I'm sure he's happy the statue is down based on what he has said but as you rightly point out the art of politics is the art of compromise and a leader has to think of the extra dimension of electability. We can already see right wing gobshites like Julia Hartley-Brewer and Darren Grimes trying to paint the whole left movement as a violent mob.
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:26 pm
Yes. I'm sure he's happy the statue is down based on what he has said but as you rightly point out the art of politics is the art of compromise and a leader has to think of the extra dimension of electability. We can already see right wing gobshites like Julia Hartley-Brewer and Darren Grimes trying to paint the whole left movement as a violent mob.
So you think a couple of lying racist gobshites should be appeased?

There can be ZERO compromise to racism.

It should be confronted, not fucking spinelessly appeased or apologised for.

When is Keir Starmer going to discipline the racists highlighted and evidenced in the leaked Labour Report who ridiculed and abused BAME MP's instead of sitting on his backside doing fuck all?

Why did he condemn Barry Gardiner for attending a BLM function?

Sorry Rani, but this is unacceptable behaviour from the LOTO.

It's spineless and craven and getting on one knee for photo ops is just shallow empty platitude media opportunism.

He's a fathead brill creamed neoliberal media-luvvie empty suit with the grand total of fuck all principle or conviction.

Even goof-prone Miliband had more conviction than this apologist establishment sop pillock.
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Rob Filth wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:09 pm
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:26 pm
Yes. I'm sure he's happy the statue is down based on what he has said but as you rightly point out the art of politics is the art of compromise and a leader has to think of the extra dimension of electability. We can already see right wing gobshites like Julia Hartley-Brewer and Darren Grimes trying to paint the whole left movement as a violent mob.
When is Keir Starmer going to discipline the racists highlighted and evidenced in the leaked Labour Report who ridiculed and abused BAME MP's instead of sitting on his backside doing fuck all?
Complete agree there, although Starmer did say a while back that we’d apparently get an update in July. I don’t see why the Labour report scandal wasn’t resolved prior to that point given how destructive the report is (it’s not just racist abuse to BAME MPs- several cases of genuine AS were deliberately sat on and dismissed by McNicol and a fair few others on the right of the party) and I’m not especially hopeful in how it’ll be handled, but I’d keep an eye on that next month. His handling of the report thus far has been my biggest personal gripe with him as Labour leader. It’s been absolutely woeful.
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Bertrand Marx wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:18 pm
Rob Filth wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:09 pm
When is Keir Starmer going to discipline the racists highlighted and evidenced in the leaked Labour Report who ridiculed and abused BAME MP's instead of sitting on his backside doing fuck all?
Complete agree there, although Starmer did say a while back that we’d apparently get an update in July. I don’t see why the Labour report scandal wasn’t resolved prior to that point given how destructive the report is (it’s not just racist abuse- several cases of genuine AS were deliberately sat on and dismissed by McNicol and a fair few others on the right of the party) and I’m not especially hopeful in how it’ll be handled, but I’d keep an eye on that next month. His handling of the report thus far has been my biggest personal gripe with him as Labour leader. It’s been absolutely woeful.
I'm not confident with how he'll handle it one bit considering he attempted to sweep the whole thing under the carpet before it leaked.

The guys a disgrace. It'll be a complete whitewash.

It's only because Johnson hasn't got his braying pigs behind him at PMQ's and because the media luvvies feel more secure with him to uphold their twisted corrupt oligarchy than Corbyn why he's doing as well as he is in the polls.
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I'm not confident with how he'll handle it one bit considering he attempted to sweep the whole thing under the carpet before it leaked.
I’m just contemplating what the aftermath would be within the membership if that happened. I can’t imagine most of them being satisfied with such a decision given what the report entails.
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Bertrand Marx wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:24 pm
Rob Filth wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:21 pm
I'm not confident with how he'll handle it one bit considering he attempted to sweep the whole thing under the carpet before it leaked.
I’m just contemplating what the aftermath would be within the membership if that happened. I can’t imagine most of them being satisfied with such a decision given what the report entails.
I'd like to know how many have already torn up their memberships?

I'm willing to bet it's at least 100,000 of them.

I'd be interested to see the latest membership count figures.
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Membership went up 100,000 over the course of the leadership contest, not sure why as you couldn't vote unless you were a member before January the whatever this year. So dropping 100,000 wouldn't be much of a problem, just returning to normal

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... e44b99b863

I think David Lammy's response to all this has been better than Starmer's, maybe he is waiting for Keir to rough out the worst of it and then make a move nearer the election. Obviously that's pure speculation on my part, I don't think Lammy seems the type to operate that way.
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