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https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status ... 6463668224

Keir keeps saying there that the statue should have come down, although he keeps saying it should have been put in a museum.

Most museums only put 3 to 5 per cent of their collections on display. They would cost too much to keep and would never be seen.
Museums are keeping a ton of the world’s most famous art locked away in storage
Quartz collected data on 13 artists across 20 museum collections. What we found is frustrating, but might also be unavoidable.


https://qz.com/583354/why-is-so-much-of ... n-storage/

They have warehouses full of valuable artefacts that are never seen and buying land in London and other big cities to create new storage is hideously costly.

They stockpile all these valuable artefacts to stop them from falling into private hands never to be seen again. The irony being most of them are never seen again anyway. Museums are not the answer.
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MistressRani wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:26 pm
Rawkus wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:58 pm
Rob Filth wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:37 pm
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:27 pm
He's right to avoid explicitly condoning acts of violence that many of the voters Labour need to gain find repellent.
He wasn't condoning any acts of violence however, he was being a racist apologist and establishmentarian sop.

Completely out of step of all Labour Party values.
I would like to hear Keir be more vocal about Cummings and his dislike for racism, but there was a poll recently that suggested that the majority of the public were glad the statue had gone but did not approve of the manner in which it happened.

Personally, I am fine with the protestors pulling it down, but neither they nor me are trying to win an election when the time comes. I think you are mistaking what Starmer says publically for what he thinks privately. Or are you saying he should just totally ignore public opinion?
Yes. I'm sure he's happy the statue is down based on what he has said but as you rightly point out the art of politics is the art of compromise and a leader has to think of the extra dimension of electability. We can already see right wing gobshites like Julia Hartley-Brewer and Darren Grimes trying to paint the whole left movement as a violent mob.
Yes, this image presents a more reserved image: https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status ... 8488167428

But I prefer Lammy's more emotive style:
"I don't ever condone criminal acts. I have seen too many burnt buildings, burnt cars, people who have lost everything, in riots.

But it is shameful to treat a slave trader like Edward Colston as an icon.

The statue should have come down a long time ago in a democratic way. #GMB"
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1 ... 7426929664

Keir needs to appeal to people's emotion as well as their reason
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Rawkus wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:38 pm
Membership went up 100,000 over the course of the leadership contest, not sure why as you couldn't vote unless you were a member before January the whatever this year. So dropping 100,000 wouldn't be much of a problem, just returning to normal
"Normal" would be a pre-Corbyn figure of membership.

The Leadership election was terribly gerrymandered too, I know of members who have paid their subs for decades who didn't receive a ballot and the rush to get a result in whilst lockdown was in place when all other parties leadership contests and elections had been suspended because of COVID-19, just highlighted the pure desperation of the Blairites to fix the vote and shuffle their guy in through the side door.

Consequently, greater numbers of the membership didn't get a vote or didn't vote at all than those who voted for Starmer.
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:38 pm
I think David Lammy's response to all this has been better than Starmer's, maybe he is waiting for Keir to rough out the worst of it and then make a move nearer the election. Obviously that's pure speculation on my part, I don't think Lammy seems the type to operate that way.
Yes it has. I have certain reservations of Lammy, but I'd be a darn sight more likely to vote for him than Starmer.

I would have still most likely voted Labour had Thornberry got leadership or someone like Gardiner or Lavery too.

Starmer is just an establishment sop and represents "business as usual" in the worst possible way. Of course the media luvvies and commentariat all love him because he doesn't threaten their status quo in the slightest and wears a nice suit, but he also doesn't deliver the change this country is so desperately crying out for and requires or needs.

Shifting back to the position of the post-war consensus and keynesian economics is not radical or "hard left"
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Rawkus wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:55 pm

Yes, this image presents a more reserved image: https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status ... 8488167428
Keirs hypocrisy in that photo is as brazen as the Tories clapping NHS staff in the midst of the COVID19 crisis when he's attempted to first throw under the carpet and then whitewash a leaked report which hard evidences bullying and deliberate intimidation of BAME MP's by staffers within the party who all elevated him and his cronies to their now exalted positions after deliberately manufacturing an anti-semitism crisis to throw the party into disrepute.

It's one of the chief reasons why as god awful as the Tories are and as much as I would like to get rid of them I can no longer vote Labour.

The front bench is full of opportunistic self-serving fucking racists who pay lip service and make empty plaititudes to causes but have little or no regard or principles toward them.
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Rob Filth wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:32 am
Rawkus wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:38 pm
Membership went up 100,000 over the course of the leadership contest, not sure why as you couldn't vote unless you were a member before January the whatever this year. So dropping 100,000 wouldn't be much of a problem, just returning to normal
"Normal" would be a pre-Corbyn figure of membership.

The Leadership election was terribly gerrymandered too, I know of members who have paid their subs for decades who didn't receive a ballot and the rush to get a result in whilst lockdown was in place when all other parties leadership contests and elections had been suspended because of COVID-19, just highlighted the pure desperation of the Blairites to fix the vote and shuffle their guy in through the side door.

Consequently, greater numbers of the membership didn't get a vote or didn't vote at all than those who voted for Starmer.
Rawkus wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:38 pm
I think David Lammy's response to all this has been better than Starmer's, maybe he is waiting for Keir to rough out the worst of it and then make a move nearer the election. Obviously that's pure speculation on my part, I don't think Lammy seems the type to operate that way.
Yes it has. I have certain reservations of Lammy, but I'd be a darn sight more likely to vote for him than Starmer.

I would have still most likely voted Labour had Thornberry got leadership or someone like Gardiner or Lavery too.

Starmer is just an establishment sop and represents "business as usual" in the worst possible way. Of course the media luvvies and commentariat all love him because he doesn't threaten their status quo in the slightest and wears a nice suit, but he also doesn't deliver the change this country is so desperately crying out for and requires or needs.

Shifting back to the position of the post-war consensus and keynesian economics is not radical or "hard left"
As voting was remote anyway there was no need to suspend the election, especially as the campaign dragged on for months as it was. It was right to get a new leader in place.
I'm also quite fond of Thornberry but she has an image problem with working class voters, especially an ill advised tweet. Gardiner is too inconsistent a performer and Lavery doesn't have the skills and intellect to lead - and also misused miners' funds.
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:08 am
As voting was remote anyway there was no need to suspend the election, especially as the campaign dragged on for months as it was. It was right to get a new leader in place.
Rubbish.

All other elections were respectfully suspended once lockdown came into effect.

Corbyn was bloody well savaging the Tories over COVID19 before Starmer slipped his way in apologising for their incompetence. Lives would've been saved.
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I'm also quite fond of Thornberry but she has an image problem with working class voters, especially an ill advised tweet. Gardiner is too inconsistent a performer and Lavery doesn't have the skills and intellect to lead - and also misused miners' funds.
Thornberry has an image problem with right wing racist fuckwits, not quite the same thing. Nice Murdoch spin employed there however.

Gardiner is an outstanding tv performer for the mostpart, I think there's only one interview/speech I've seen him not coherent in. He completely spat Andrew Neil out again when Neil tried to do a repeat performance savaging him like the one he gave Corbyn.

Lavery was cleared by the parliamentary watchdog, and the Parliamentary commissioner cleared him of wrongdoing.
Keep repeating Murdochs smears though and don't let facts stand in the way.

and since when was intelligence needed to rule a party?(although your snobbery toward the working class is showing a bit there now Rani) We have Johnson as Prime Minister and Trump as President of America for fucks sakes!!!

Are you telling me they are rocket scientists? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Rob Filth wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:06 am
MistressRani wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:08 am
As voting was remote anyway there was no need to suspend the election, especially as the campaign dragged on for months as it was. It was right to get a new leader in place.
Rubbish.

All other elections were respectfully suspended once lockdown came into effect.

Corbyn was bloody well savaging the Tories over COVID19 before Starmer slipped his way in apologising for their incompetence. Lives would've been saved.
That's just not true. The leadership election was almost concluded when COVID struck and Corbyn was a lame duck at that point. There was no need to follow the Lib Dums as you propose.
Rob Filth wrote:
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:08 am
I'm also quite fond of Thornberry but she has an image problem with working class voters, especially an ill advised tweet. Gardiner is too inconsistent a performer and Lavery doesn't have the skills and intellect to lead - and also misused miners' funds.
Thornberry has an image problem with right wing racist fuckwits, not quite the same thing. Nice Murdoch spin employed there however.

Gardiner is an outstanding tv performer for the mostpart, I think there's only one interview/speech I've seen him not coherent in. He completely spat Andrew Neil out again when Neil tried to do a repeat performance savaging him like the one he gave Corbyn.
Thornberry has an image problem with working class voters. As I say, I like her but she has that problem.
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:06 am
Lavery was cleared by the parliamentary watchdog, and the Parliamentary commissioner cleared him of wrongdoing.
Keep repeating Murdochs smears though and don't let facts stand in the way.

and since when was intelligence needed to rule a party?(although your snobbery toward the working class is showing a bit there now Rani) We have Johnson as Prime Minister and Trump as President of America for fucks sakes!!!

Are you telling me they are rocket scientists? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I rather like our leaders to be intelligent. Just because another party might make a poor selection, doesn't mean Labour should. And reading this, it does look like Lavery is a bit of a fat cat https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... hdog-finds
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MistressRani wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:45 pm
That's just not true. The leadership election was almost concluded when COVID struck and Corbyn was a lame duck at that point. There was no need to follow the Lib Dums as you propose.
It's perfectly true, not just the Fib Dems but also the London Mayoral Contest respected the lockdown rules, why not Labour?

Oh yeah, that's right, because they were trying to shifty their Blairite stooge through the side door to demand lockdown be lifted prematurely early and kids go back to school.

What a fucking fathead!
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Thornberry has an image problem with working class voters. As I say, I like her but she has that problem.
No Rani, Thornberry does NOT have an image problem with working class voters. She has a huge working class population in her constituency. She has an image problem with thicko gammon Sun readers.
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I rather like our leaders to be intelligent. Just because another party might make a poor selection, doesn't mean Labour should. And reading this, it does look like Lavery is a bit of a fat cat https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... hdog-finds
No Rani, it's not that you like leaders to be intelligent.

Lavery is a rocket scientist compared to Johnson or Trump.

You like your leaders to be cringing establishment sops to the media oligarchy, that's why you linked to a Guardian piece of bollocks put out by wringing liberal apologists too fucking spineless to embrace the first proper socialist Labour Government for over 40 years when the chance arose.

As I reiterate, Lavery was cleared by the parliamentary watchdog, and the Parliamentary commissioner cleared him of wrongdoing.
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Would you have gone for RLB or Nandy over Starmer, Rob?
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Rawkus wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:02 pm
Would you have gone for RLB or Nandy over Starmer, Rob?
I wouldn't have gone for either of them to be honest.

They were all useless.

Thornberry was probably the best one out of a really bad bunch.

RLB is so wooden as to be a plank of wood whereas Nandy is a thick as two short planks.
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