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Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 9:24 pm
by Ludders
Pepsi Maxil wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 5:14 pm
I'd love to see Indrid and Burrunjor here. I'm going to alternate between the two forums because I still have responsibilities over there and I don't think my crazier threads would be tolerated here as much.
Good to see you here Peps. ;)
Personally, I don't see why those guys shouldn't join up, nor should you feel you can't post whatever threads you want. The original ethos of The Hive was to be a platform for all opinions.
But I'll still be using the other Hive, at least for a while until we see how this one goes.

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 9:41 pm
by Bertrand Marx
Ludders wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:24 pm
Pepsi Maxil wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 5:14 pm
I'd love to see Indrid and Burrunjor here. I'm going to alternate between the two forums because I still have responsibilities over there and I don't think my crazier threads would be tolerated here as much.
Good to see you here Peps. ;)
Personally, I don't see why those guys shouldn't join up, nor should you feel you can't post whatever threads you want. The original ethos of The Hive was to be a platform for all opinions.
But I'll still be using the other Hive, at least for a while until we see how this one goes.
That’s a good point concerning the ethos of the forum, and thinking about it all the more, I’m sure Burrunjor would be willing to listen given that he seems to trust us. I think I’m just being careful for the moment, is all.

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 9:57 pm
by Mike
I'd never stop bumjaw saying anything he wants to say, ever. Nor you Maxil. Even if I disagree.

To be honest, the 'hostility' between bumjaw and I is probably exaggerated in both our minds. I think he's alright. Misguided in certain ways, sure. He just thinks I'm an SJW -- he's woefully misinformed. SJWs are cunts.

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 10:01 pm
by Ludders
Mike wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:57 pm
I'd never stop bumjaw saying anything he wants to say, ever. Nor you Maxil. Even if I disagree.

To be honest, the 'hostility' between bumjaw and I is probably exaggerated in both our minds. I think he's alright. Misguided in certain ways, sure. He just thinks I'm an SJW -- he's woefully misinformed. SJWs are cunts.
The whole SJW and anti-SJW thing is just two sides of the same coin. Reductive mentalities on both sides trapped in a culture war hysteresis. :D

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 10:03 pm
by Mike
Ludders wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:01 pm
Mike wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:57 pm
I'd never stop bumjaw saying anything he wants to say, ever. Nor you Maxil. Even if I disagree.

To be honest, the 'hostility' between bumjaw and I is probably exaggerated in both our minds. I think he's alright. Misguided in certain ways, sure. He just thinks I'm an SJW -- he's woefully misinformed. SJWs are cunts.
The whole SJW and anti-SJW thing is just two sides of the same coin. Reductive mentalities on both sides trapped in a culture war hysteresis. :D
Yeah man.

I'm not anti-SJW either insofar as anti-SJW-ism manifests as reaction.

They push each other to their respective extremes -- and, sadly, neither of those extremes are on the Left as such. Both end up being conservative.

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 10:12 pm
by Bertrand Marx
Mike wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:03 pm
Ludders wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:01 pm
Mike wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:57 pm
I'd never stop bumjaw saying anything he wants to say, ever. Nor you Maxil. Even if I disagree.

To be honest, the 'hostility' between bumjaw and I is probably exaggerated in both our minds. I think he's alright. Misguided in certain ways, sure. He just thinks I'm an SJW -- he's woefully misinformed. SJWs are cunts.
The whole SJW and anti-SJW thing is just two sides of the same coin. Reductive mentalities on both sides trapped in a culture war hysteresis. :D
Yeah man.

I'm not anti-SJW either insofar as anti-SJW-ism manifests as reaction.

They push each other to their respective extremes -- and, sadly, neither of those extremes are on the Left as such. Both end up being conservative.
Yeah. I am certainly critical and skeptical of certain aspects of identitarianism and SJWs, but mainly due to their authoritarian nature as opposed to a left or right issue. They don’t encompass the grand majority of people and are easily ignored if one switches themselves off from the noise generated by so many social media outlets. The culture war shit is just tiresome and only seeks to exacerbate division on both sides. It does get wearying after a time, hence why I rarely used the term on NuHive.

I mainly get frustrated when people attribute it squarely towards the left without any nuance (as with “cultural Marxism”). I don’t see what’s fundamentally left-wing about it at all. One can advocate equality for all races and sexes without being an SJW- it’s when authoritarianism and dogmatism comes with it that it veers towards that line of thought. And dogmatism is ultimately manifested on all sides of the political spectrum.

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 10:38 pm
by Pepsi Maxil
Ludders wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:24 pm
Pepsi Maxil wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 5:14 pm
I'd love to see Indrid and Burrunjor here. I'm going to alternate between the two forums because I still have responsibilities over there and I don't think my crazier threads would be tolerated here as much.
Good to see you here Peps. ;)
Personally, I don't see why those guys shouldn't join up, nor should you feel you can't post whatever threads you want. The original ethos of The Hive was to be a platform for all opinions.
But I'll still be using the other Hive, at least for a while until we see how this one goes.
Thanks. I really can't remember if we ever communicated on this version of the forum. It was nice to be asked to be apart of it again.

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 10:41 pm
by Ludders
Pepsi Maxil wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:38 pm
Ludders wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:24 pm
Pepsi Maxil wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 5:14 pm
I'd love to see Indrid and Burrunjor here. I'm going to alternate between the two forums because I still have responsibilities over there and I don't think my crazier threads would be tolerated here as much.
Good to see you here Peps. ;)
Personally, I don't see why those guys shouldn't join up, nor should you feel you can't post whatever threads you want. The original ethos of The Hive was to be a platform for all opinions.
But I'll still be using the other Hive, at least for a while until we see how this one goes.
Thanks. I really can't remember if we ever communicated on this version of the forum. It was nice to be asked to be apart of it again.
I don't think we did. I left around 2015/16 I think. And wasn't posting much for a couple of years before that.

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 11:09 pm
by Rob Filth
Mike wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:03 pm
Ludders wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:01 pm
Mike wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:57 pm
I'd never stop bumjaw saying anything he wants to say, ever. Nor you Maxil. Even if I disagree.

To be honest, the 'hostility' between bumjaw and I is probably exaggerated in both our minds. I think he's alright. Misguided in certain ways, sure. He just thinks I'm an SJW -- he's woefully misinformed. SJWs are cunts.
The whole SJW and anti-SJW thing is just two sides of the same coin. Reductive mentalities on both sides trapped in a culture war hysteresis. :D
Yeah man.

I'm not anti-SJW either insofar as anti-SJW-ism manifests as reaction.

They push each other to their respective extremes -- and, sadly, neither of those extremes are on the Left as such. Both end up being conservative.
Completely agree with this.

I personally see SJW-isms as being a Daily Mail interpretation of what Left Wing politics are, when they most certainly aren't.

Good examples are the BBC and Guardian who pretend to be left-wing, but as soon as a proper left wing person comes along such as Jeremy Corbyn for example, they shit themselves and join the likes of the Sun, Daily Mail etc and right wing establishment in slagging it off.

SJW-isms are basically pseudo left-wingism, what the Murdoch press interprete the left-wing to be about to their impressionable readers when really Left Wing politics is about UNIVERSAL Human Rights, not different marginalised groups stupidly competing with each other for top victimhood status for the spoils of crumbs.

Re: ClassicHive 10th Anniversary Celebration Thread(bring best party hat)

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 11:14 pm
by Bertrand Marx
Rob Filth wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 11:09 pm
Mike wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:03 pm
Ludders wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:01 pm
Mike wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 9:57 pm
I'd never stop bumjaw saying anything he wants to say, ever. Nor you Maxil. Even if I disagree.

To be honest, the 'hostility' between bumjaw and I is probably exaggerated in both our minds. I think he's alright. Misguided in certain ways, sure. He just thinks I'm an SJW -- he's woefully misinformed. SJWs are cunts.
The whole SJW and anti-SJW thing is just two sides of the same coin. Reductive mentalities on both sides trapped in a culture war hysteresis. :D
Yeah man.

I'm not anti-SJW either insofar as anti-SJW-ism manifests as reaction.

They push each other to their respective extremes -- and, sadly, neither of those extremes are on the Left as such. Both end up being conservative.
Completely agree with this.

I personally see SJW-isms as being a Daily Mail interpretation of what Left Wing politics are, when they most certainly aren't.

Good examples are the BBC and Guardian who pretend to be left-wing, but as soon as a proper left wing person comes along such as Jeremy Corbyn for example, they shit themselves and join the likes of the Sun, Daily Mail etc and right wing establishment in slagging it off.

SJW-isms are basically pseudo left-wingism, what the Murdoch press interprete the left-wing to be about to their impressionable readers when really Left Wing politics is about UNIVERSAL Human Rights, not different marginalised groups stupidly competing with each other for victimhood status.
Post of the day.

To be honest, I see it as less a left-wing thing and more a centrist/neoliberal stance, in that they’ll cling to virtues that sound good but won’t give a fuck about actual class-based politics.

It’s why I find it so patronising. It usually comes from those who are genuinely systemically privileged as it is, hence why the neoliberal outlets endorse it so frequently. I’ve recently been reading Lost Illusions by Balzac that very overtly explores the soulless and ultimately cynical nature of the media in that it exploits others as a means of achieving populism, hence why the outlets we refer to won’t concern themselves with actual social or economic justice as it prevents the exploitation that they so revel in.